Warren Spector to use Source and Steam: Deus Ex creator to use Valve's technology for next project.

Previously a UE mod, now a stand-alone game Red Orchestra, is also going to Steam :shock:

probably very soon, as well as Darwinia...

Can't those people use a better platform for content delivery? I mean, anything but Steam... Where's that thing which is going to be used for Prey?

You've gotta be kidding me. You'd think after HL2 they would have learned. Tsk, tsk.

i know,, old(er) news. Sad IMHO.

I don't have any problems with steam, but now the crap that Spector and company have been putting out lately is just useless beyond words.

i've had nothing but problems with steam. so much so I took it off my system & have HL2 & HL1 (+mods it comes with now) in my account, but I don't use it.

What other online distribution system is there?

The only other one I'm aware of is Softwrap.

But it's just an online distribution service. You purchase a game, it routes the download through their secure servers and that's the end of the transaction.

From that point, you're on your own for updates, online gaming, mods, ect...

Of course, the biggest selling point for Steam is how everything is attached to user accounts. This allows them to monitor and control what you do with the content they provide you.

for games to purchase? I know there's direct2drive. Vapour Online will support retail games in the future (right now it only has mods & free whole games are in the works) but someoned needs to want to sell a game on there before they have one.

But, I don't want steam to play games. I don't use launchers for games I already own, so why would I wnat one now? I have quicklaunch icons that are faster & take up less space. And I don't want to use the internet to play my games eigther.

steams bigget selling point is also the biggest turnoff for me. I buy Quake 4 & id/raven/activision let me do whatever I want. I can mod it, map it, rip it to shreds or sell it on e-bay. As long as I don't do anything illegal.

Valve knows every little thing I do with the software. I burp & a stat gets sent to their steam severs notifying them of my gas. As far as I'm concerned, all I want them to know about me is that I have a legit CD-key.

i can't even play a steam game w/o making sure it's up to date first, even if the update has nothing to do with my game. Add on a complete lack of tech support (I've gotten faster responces from the DMV! Wait, I've NEER gotten a responce from valve/steam tech support. Still waiting on support from last year!)

rich_is_bored wrote:

What other online distribution system is there?

xStream is the method which is going to be used for Prey. It already works, there are a few games (or something) available there and its users tend to like it. It's not intrusive as Steam, and gives you freedom.

Nooo, Darwinia is way to cool to be on steam. Damn it all to hell.

I do hope Games xStream will enjoy some success. Their system looked a lot better than Steam in theory, and we do need a 'generic' online distribution service like this.

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

iceheart wrote:

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

I think he was referring to the fact that xStream is a buy+download+update service, as opposed to Steam, which is that but also a platform you're forced to use to play any of your games. With xStream, your installed games keep the same directory structure as if they were installed from the CD, they are run independently; you don't need anything sleeping on your system or doing (exploitable) client-side checks ala Steam.

This thread has a bit more info about it. However, from testimonials on shacknews, xStream is still pretty much a beta (specially because of the interface) so who knows.

I know what he meant and what people say about steam, I just thought it was a funny to say that a product "gives you freedom"

.

I forgot the word "more", sorry.

zeh wrote:

iceheart wrote:

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

I think he was referring to the fact that xStream is a buy+download+update service, as opposed to Steam, which is that but also a platform you're forced to use to play any of your games. With xStream, your installed games keep the same directory structure as if they were installed from the CD, they are run independently; you don't need anything sleeping on your system or doing (exploitable) client-side checks ala Steam.

This thread has a bit more info about it. However, from testimonials on shacknews, xStream is still pretty much a beta (specially because of the interface) so who knows.

You don't have to be connected to Steam to run Half Life 2 it just requires some creative coding. Seen it done. :twisted:

rtkwe wrote:

You don't have to be connected to Steam to run Half Life 2 it just requires some creative coding. Seen it done. :twisted:

Well, this is akin to saying "you don't need to buy a game to play it, it just requires some creative coding". I was talking from a legal or official point of view, of course. The fact that Steam forces a legitimate player to go through all levels of crap just to play the goddamned game is what makes me sad.

Steam = The Soviet Union of IT Bizz, or Nazi germany if you will,
the sooner Steam is gone the better afaic

Warren Spector to use Source and Steam: Deus Ex creator to use Valve's technology for next project.

Previously a UE mod, now a stand-alone game Red Orchestra, is also going to Steam :shock:

probably very soon, as well as Darwinia...

Can't those people use a better platform for content delivery? I mean, anything but Steam... Where's that thing which is going to be used for Prey?

You've gotta be kidding me. You'd think after HL2 they would have learned. Tsk, tsk.

i know,, old(er) news. Sad IMHO.

I don't have any problems with steam, but now the crap that Spector and company have been putting out lately is just useless beyond words.

i've had nothing but problems with steam. so much so I took it off my system & have HL2 & HL1 (+mods it comes with now) in my account, but I don't use it.

What other online distribution system is there?

The only other one I'm aware of is Softwrap.

But it's just an online distribution service. You purchase a game, it routes the download through their secure servers and that's the end of the transaction.

From that point, you're on your own for updates, online gaming, mods, ect...

Of course, the biggest selling point for Steam is how everything is attached to user accounts. This allows them to monitor and control what you do with the content they provide you.

for games to purchase? I know there's direct2drive. Vapour Online will support retail games in the future (right now it only has mods & free whole games are in the works) but someoned needs to want to sell a game on there before they have one.

But, I don't want steam to play games. I don't use launchers for games I already own, so why would I wnat one now? I have quicklaunch icons that are faster & take up less space. And I don't want to use the internet to play my games eigther.

steams bigget selling point is also the biggest turnoff for me. I buy Quake 4 & id/raven/activision let me do whatever I want. I can mod it, map it, rip it to shreds or sell it on e-bay. As long as I don't do anything illegal.

Valve knows every little thing I do with the software. I burp & a stat gets sent to their steam severs notifying them of my gas. As far as I'm concerned, all I want them to know about me is that I have a legit CD-key.

i can't even play a steam game w/o making sure it's up to date first, even if the update has nothing to do with my game. Add on a complete lack of tech support (I've gotten faster responces from the DMV! Wait, I've NEER gotten a responce from valve/steam tech support. Still waiting on support from last year!)

rich_is_bored wrote:

What other online distribution system is there?

xStream is the method which is going to be used for Prey. It already works, there are a few games (or something) available there and its users tend to like it. It's not intrusive as Steam, and gives you freedom.

Nooo, Darwinia is way to cool to be on steam. Damn it all to hell.

I do hope Games xStream will enjoy some success. Their system looked a lot better than Steam in theory, and we do need a 'generic' online distribution service like this.

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

iceheart wrote:

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

I think he was referring to the fact that xStream is a buy+download+update service, as opposed to Steam, which is that but also a platform you're forced to use to play any of your games. With xStream, your installed games keep the same directory structure as if they were installed from the CD, they are run independently; you don't need anything sleeping on your system or doing (exploitable) client-side checks ala Steam.

This thread has a bit more info about it. However, from testimonials on shacknews, xStream is still pretty much a beta (specially because of the interface) so who knows.

I know what he meant and what people say about steam, I just thought it was a funny to say that a product "gives you freedom"

.

I forgot the word "more", sorry.

zeh wrote:

iceheart wrote:

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

I think he was referring to the fact that xStream is a buy+download+update service, as opposed to Steam, which is that but also a platform you're forced to use to play any of your games. With xStream, your installed games keep the same directory structure as if they were installed from the CD, they are run independently; you don't need anything sleeping on your system or doing (exploitable) client-side checks ala Steam.

This thread has a bit more info about it. However, from testimonials on shacknews, xStream is still pretty much a beta (specially because of the interface) so who knows.

You don't have to be connected to Steam to run Half Life 2 it just requires some creative coding. Seen it done. :twisted:

rtkwe wrote:

You don't have to be connected to Steam to run Half Life 2 it just requires some creative coding. Seen it done. :twisted:

Well, this is akin to saying "you don't need to buy a game to play it, it just requires some creative coding". I was talking from a legal or official point of view, of course. The fact that Steam forces a legitimate player to go through all levels of crap just to play the goddamned game is what makes me sad.

Steam = The Soviet Union of IT Bizz, or Nazi germany if you will,
the sooner Steam is gone the better afaic

Warren Spector to use Source and Steam: Deus Ex creator to use Valve's technology for next project.

Previously a UE mod, now a stand-alone game Red Orchestra, is also going to Steam :shock:

probably very soon, as well as Darwinia...

Can't those people use a better platform for content delivery? I mean, anything but Steam... Where's that thing which is going to be used for Prey?

You've gotta be kidding me. You'd think after HL2 they would have learned. Tsk, tsk.

i know,, old(er) news. Sad IMHO.

I don't have any problems with steam, but now the crap that Spector and company have been putting out lately is just useless beyond words.

i've had nothing but problems with steam. so much so I took it off my system & have HL2 & HL1 (+mods it comes with now) in my account, but I don't use it.

What other online distribution system is there?

The only other one I'm aware of is Softwrap.

But it's just an online distribution service. You purchase a game, it routes the download through their secure servers and that's the end of the transaction.

From that point, you're on your own for updates, online gaming, mods, ect...

Of course, the biggest selling point for Steam is how everything is attached to user accounts. This allows them to monitor and control what you do with the content they provide you.

for games to purchase? I know there's direct2drive. Vapour Online will support retail games in the future (right now it only has mods & free whole games are in the works) but someoned needs to want to sell a game on there before they have one.

But, I don't want steam to play games. I don't use launchers for games I already own, so why would I wnat one now? I have quicklaunch icons that are faster & take up less space. And I don't want to use the internet to play my games eigther.

steams bigget selling point is also the biggest turnoff for me. I buy Quake 4 & id/raven/activision let me do whatever I want. I can mod it, map it, rip it to shreds or sell it on e-bay. As long as I don't do anything illegal.

Valve knows every little thing I do with the software. I burp & a stat gets sent to their steam severs notifying them of my gas. As far as I'm concerned, all I want them to know about me is that I have a legit CD-key.

i can't even play a steam game w/o making sure it's up to date first, even if the update has nothing to do with my game. Add on a complete lack of tech support (I've gotten faster responces from the DMV! Wait, I've NEER gotten a responce from valve/steam tech support. Still waiting on support from last year!)

rich_is_bored wrote:

What other online distribution system is there?

xStream is the method which is going to be used for Prey. It already works, there are a few games (or something) available there and its users tend to like it. It's not intrusive as Steam, and gives you freedom.

Nooo, Darwinia is way to cool to be on steam. Damn it all to hell.

I do hope Games xStream will enjoy some success. Their system looked a lot better than Steam in theory, and we do need a 'generic' online distribution service like this.

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

iceheart wrote:

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

I think he was referring to the fact that xStream is a buy+download+update service, as opposed to Steam, which is that but also a platform you're forced to use to play any of your games. With xStream, your installed games keep the same directory structure as if they were installed from the CD, they are run independently; you don't need anything sleeping on your system or doing (exploitable) client-side checks ala Steam.

This thread has a bit more info about it. However, from testimonials on shacknews, xStream is still pretty much a beta (specially because of the interface) so who knows.

I know what he meant and what people say about steam, I just thought it was a funny to say that a product "gives you freedom"

.

I forgot the word "more", sorry.

zeh wrote:

iceheart wrote:

It "gives you freedom"? How the hell does that work?

I think he was referring to the fact that xStream is a buy+download+update service, as opposed to Steam, which is that but also a platform you're forced to use to play any of your games. With xStream, your installed games keep the same directory structure as if they were installed from the CD, they are run independently; you don't need anything sleeping on your system or doing (exploitable) client-side checks ala Steam.

This thread has a bit more info about it. However, from testimonials on shacknews, xStream is still pretty much a beta (specially because of the interface) so who knows.

You don't have to be connected to Steam to run Half Life 2 it just requires some creative coding. Seen it done. :twisted:

rtkwe wrote:

You don't have to be connected to Steam to run Half Life 2 it just requires some creative coding. Seen it done. :twisted:

Well, this is akin to saying "you don't need to buy a game to play it, it just requires some creative coding". I was talking from a legal or official point of view, of course. The fact that Steam forces a legitimate player to go through all levels of crap just to play the goddamned game is what makes me sad.

Steam = The Soviet Union of IT Bizz, or Nazi germany if you will,
the sooner Steam is gone the better afaic