bashport@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:36 am :
Image

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/09/terrible-news-gordon-freeman-spotted-near-large-hadron-collider/


I'm glad betruger isn't on the photo...
If gordon gets his hands on a crowbar there is not much to worry =)



rebb@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:58 am :
Just don't let this guy get his hands on any sort of cart during an experiment !



LDAsh@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:25 am :
Now let's play "Spot the G-Man"



rich_is_bored@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:32 am :
Quote:
Initial particle beam injections were successfully carried out on 8-11 August 2008, the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, at 7:30 GMT and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008.


If there's any truth to this then Gordon's already in the ventilation system fending off headcrabs.



pbmax@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:29 pm :
:lol:



stabinbac@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:10 pm :
bashport wrote:
If gordon gets his hands on a crowbar there is not much to worry =)


Until you realize that everyone is dead except for the dullest people ever to walk the earth.



KoRnScythe@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:51 pm :
I'm waiting to read some funny news article, in Hell/Heaven/Purgatory/Somewhere Else/Neverland Ranch/The Same Damn Place, about how some morbidly obese male who broke the world record of The-Most-Beans-and-Laxatives-Eaten-with-Pizza-and-Milk who, at the same time as a particle collision, tore the biggest ass on Earth. "Here he goes... It's coming... It's coming! AH SH--" and the world was obliterated in such an explosively violent manner that God himself quickly got up off the couch, ran outside and jumped into his pimpmobile and went to Heaven's version of Miami.

Really, though, I have my fingers crossed on the world-exploding or being-sucked-through-a-sink-drain or turning-into-a-blob thing.



iceheart@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:34 pm :
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroy ... ldyet.com/



Bittoman@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:39 pm :
I can't help but snicker when I think about so many people that are worried that this one experiment can end life as we know it when the amount of energy it requires doesn't even register on the scale for that which created us in the first place.

Energy Required to Create The Universe:
[---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------]

Energy To Run a Large Hadron Collider:
[.]

[EDIT by iceheart:]
(note: This illustration is not to scale)



BloodRayne@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:16 pm :
That's quite a bit of nonsense there, Bittoman. :)
It took a fraction of the energy required to blow up Nagasaki, it's not like the energy you put into something evenly comes out of it again.

This is what one of the 'important' physicists in the world has to say about it (sorry, forgot his name):

Quote:
"in physics, quite often, a totally unexpected, new phenomenon pops up. In recent years, physicists lifted their eyebrows over dark energy, the Pioneer anomaly, the missing of the Higgs boson, the pentaquark and the suspected drift of the fundamental constants. No, we're not going to explain all that -- but the bottom line is this: physicists are constantly being surprised by weird new stuff that wasn't in the theories yet.

Now, you don't want such a surprise to be a black hole that has our planet for breakfast. ;)"

Bottom line is, we just don't know what will or can happen. That's why we need this experiment to begin with. Statistical data suggests that, however minute, there *is* a chance that the 'earth might blow up'. Even if that chance 0,000000000000000000000000000001 % do you really think that that chance is small enough to bet everything on?

I'm all for this experiment as it needs to be done, and I'm totally realistic as to what might happen... it's not like I'm losing sleep over this; I'm sure they have it under control. But still, what this quote says is true. Lots of times, we, humanity, have been wrong in our assumptions, basically we don't know squat. Even though we have so much information about quantum physics, most of it is based on theory.

To deny that is to say that this experiment is unnecessary; hence the necessity of this experiment irrevocably implies that there are uncertainties and more importantly a real chance that something might go wrong. Not in the order of an ELE (exctinction level event), but if the HLC blows up and kills many people that would still be a disaster.



iceheart@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:29 pm :
Well, that's why they have Gordon Freeman.



Bittoman@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:53 pm :
Quote:
It took a fraction of the energy required to blow up Nagasaki, it's not like the energy you put into something evenly comes out of it again.


It was a bit of a joke but still. The atom contains a lot of energy for it's size so the amount of energy required to destroy Nagasaki was actually tremendous and both of those devices were very inefficient. But I do agree that it's always easier to destroy than create.

The amount of energy you put into something does not equate to the amount you get out of it because we have yet to achieve a 100% efficient conversion which is the holy grail of physics with the only thing better being more than 100% of the energy extracted compared to the amount put in to extract it. If we could we'd all be driving water powered cars that only needed a gallon of water to run for the life of the vehicle simply because of the energy stored within the atoms that make up the matter (in this case water) used to power the vehicle.

There is also the possibility that the physics we know may not apply 100% everywhere outside of our tiny little spec of real estate in this universe so this means that the amount of energy to perform any one given task is limited in scope to our current understanding of it which by comparison is minuscule.



BloodRayne@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:55 pm :
Bittoman wrote:
Quote:
It took a fraction of the energy required to blow up Nagasaki, it's not like the energy you put into something evenly comes out of it again.


There is also the possibility that the physics we know may not apply 100% everywhere outside of our tiny little spec of real estate in this universe so this means that the amount of energy to perform any one given task is limited in scope to our current understanding of it which by comparison is minuscule.

Indeed, as it is highly likely that the cosmic fundamentals as we understand them are actually fluctuating.



pbmax@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:02 pm :
iceheart wrote:
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/


but they have not aimed 2 beams of protons at each other yet.

so does any one have a link that explains how this could destroy the earth? i heard something about tiny balck holes...



iceheart@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:11 pm :
pbmax wrote:
iceheart wrote:
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/


but they have not aimed 2 beams of protons at each other yet.


Hence the use of the word "yet" in the domain name :).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_ ... lack_holes



Kristus@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:39 pm :
This explains everything you need to know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1Yo610lG0



KoRnScythe@Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:37 pm :
Jesus God! Look at that guy. He's nuts.
Infact, you can even see loose nuts off the bolts on the side of his head.
Plus, there's steam coming out of his nose, and a booger.
Is he wearing a mask? It may be satan behind it.

Oh, and October 2008. Unless it comes at 11:59 PM on Halloween, you won't be getting any candy.



Kamikazee@Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:51 pm :
Kristus wrote:
This explains everything you need to know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1Yo610lG0
Science is lost on some people...



The Happy Friar@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:25 am :
if it ends the world, so what? It's not like anybody's really going to have time to say "you dumbass!" we'll all be dead. :lol: Plus think of all the debt people of the world would get to avoid! That alone could fill the black holes! :D



BNA!@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:26 am :
The Happy Friar wrote:
if it ends the world, so what? It's not like anybody's really going to have time to say "you dumbass!" we'll all be dead. :lol: Plus think of all the debt people of the world would get to avoid! That alone could fill the black holes! :D


I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...



Bittoman@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:51 pm :
BNA! wrote:
The Happy Friar wrote:
if it ends the world, so what? It's not like anybody's really going to have time to say "you dumbass!" we'll all be dead. :lol: Plus think of all the debt people of the world would get to avoid! That alone could fill the black holes! :D


I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...


It can't happen. Before we even come close, Bush will declare all money his, stuff it into an offshore account and move to Venezuela.



The Happy Friar@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:08 pm :
BNA! wrote:
I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...


now that's just complete science fiction there. :wink:



BNA!@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:37 pm :
The Happy Friar wrote:
BNA! wrote:
I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...


now that's just complete science fiction there. :wink:


Only the words "Black Hole, Giga, Universe, CERN, Collider" - the rest is all true and the reason why all of the US (and economically connected world) will see (more) private wealth hair cuts instead of (election time motivated) tax cuts.

I guess "structured products" come second in disaster potentiality predictability when compared to man made black holes. Unless "it" happens every prediction is potentially as true as not true.

;)



bashport@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:36 am :
Image

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/09/terrible-news-gordon-freeman-spotted-near-large-hadron-collider/


I'm glad betruger isn't on the photo...
If gordon gets his hands on a crowbar there is not much to worry =)



rebb@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:58 am :
Just don't let this guy get his hands on any sort of cart during an experiment !



LDAsh@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:25 am :
Now let's play "Spot the G-Man"



rich_is_bored@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:32 am :
Quote:
Initial particle beam injections were successfully carried out on 8-11 August 2008, the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, at 7:30 GMT and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008.


If there's any truth to this then Gordon's already in the ventilation system fending off headcrabs.



pbmax@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:29 pm :
:lol:



stabinbac@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:10 pm :
bashport wrote:
If gordon gets his hands on a crowbar there is not much to worry =)


Until you realize that everyone is dead except for the dullest people ever to walk the earth.



KoRnScythe@Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:51 pm :
I'm waiting to read some funny news article, in Hell/Heaven/Purgatory/Somewhere Else/Neverland Ranch/The Same Damn Place, about how some morbidly obese male who broke the world record of The-Most-Beans-and-Laxatives-Eaten-with-Pizza-and-Milk who, at the same time as a particle collision, tore the biggest ass on Earth. "Here he goes... It's coming... It's coming! AH SH--" and the world was obliterated in such an explosively violent manner that God himself quickly got up off the couch, ran outside and jumped into his pimpmobile and went to Heaven's version of Miami.

Really, though, I have my fingers crossed on the world-exploding or being-sucked-through-a-sink-drain or turning-into-a-blob thing.



iceheart@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:34 pm :
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroy ... ldyet.com/



Bittoman@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:39 pm :
I can't help but snicker when I think about so many people that are worried that this one experiment can end life as we know it when the amount of energy it requires doesn't even register on the scale for that which created us in the first place.

Energy Required to Create The Universe:
[---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------]

Energy To Run a Large Hadron Collider:
[.]

[EDIT by iceheart:]
(note: This illustration is not to scale)



BloodRayne@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:16 pm :
That's quite a bit of nonsense there, Bittoman. :)
It took a fraction of the energy required to blow up Nagasaki, it's not like the energy you put into something evenly comes out of it again.

This is what one of the 'important' physicists in the world has to say about it (sorry, forgot his name):

Quote:
"in physics, quite often, a totally unexpected, new phenomenon pops up. In recent years, physicists lifted their eyebrows over dark energy, the Pioneer anomaly, the missing of the Higgs boson, the pentaquark and the suspected drift of the fundamental constants. No, we're not going to explain all that -- but the bottom line is this: physicists are constantly being surprised by weird new stuff that wasn't in the theories yet.

Now, you don't want such a surprise to be a black hole that has our planet for breakfast. ;)"

Bottom line is, we just don't know what will or can happen. That's why we need this experiment to begin with. Statistical data suggests that, however minute, there *is* a chance that the 'earth might blow up'. Even if that chance 0,000000000000000000000000000001 % do you really think that that chance is small enough to bet everything on?

I'm all for this experiment as it needs to be done, and I'm totally realistic as to what might happen... it's not like I'm losing sleep over this; I'm sure they have it under control. But still, what this quote says is true. Lots of times, we, humanity, have been wrong in our assumptions, basically we don't know squat. Even though we have so much information about quantum physics, most of it is based on theory.

To deny that is to say that this experiment is unnecessary; hence the necessity of this experiment irrevocably implies that there are uncertainties and more importantly a real chance that something might go wrong. Not in the order of an ELE (exctinction level event), but if the HLC blows up and kills many people that would still be a disaster.



iceheart@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:29 pm :
Well, that's why they have Gordon Freeman.



Bittoman@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:53 pm :
Quote:
It took a fraction of the energy required to blow up Nagasaki, it's not like the energy you put into something evenly comes out of it again.


It was a bit of a joke but still. The atom contains a lot of energy for it's size so the amount of energy required to destroy Nagasaki was actually tremendous and both of those devices were very inefficient. But I do agree that it's always easier to destroy than create.

The amount of energy you put into something does not equate to the amount you get out of it because we have yet to achieve a 100% efficient conversion which is the holy grail of physics with the only thing better being more than 100% of the energy extracted compared to the amount put in to extract it. If we could we'd all be driving water powered cars that only needed a gallon of water to run for the life of the vehicle simply because of the energy stored within the atoms that make up the matter (in this case water) used to power the vehicle.

There is also the possibility that the physics we know may not apply 100% everywhere outside of our tiny little spec of real estate in this universe so this means that the amount of energy to perform any one given task is limited in scope to our current understanding of it which by comparison is minuscule.



BloodRayne@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:55 pm :
Bittoman wrote:
Quote:
It took a fraction of the energy required to blow up Nagasaki, it's not like the energy you put into something evenly comes out of it again.


There is also the possibility that the physics we know may not apply 100% everywhere outside of our tiny little spec of real estate in this universe so this means that the amount of energy to perform any one given task is limited in scope to our current understanding of it which by comparison is minuscule.

Indeed, as it is highly likely that the cosmic fundamentals as we understand them are actually fluctuating.



pbmax@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:02 pm :
iceheart wrote:
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/


but they have not aimed 2 beams of protons at each other yet.

so does any one have a link that explains how this could destroy the earth? i heard something about tiny balck holes...



iceheart@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:11 pm :
pbmax wrote:
iceheart wrote:
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/


but they have not aimed 2 beams of protons at each other yet.


Hence the use of the word "yet" in the domain name :).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_ ... lack_holes



Kristus@Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:39 pm :
This explains everything you need to know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1Yo610lG0



KoRnScythe@Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:37 pm :
Jesus God! Look at that guy. He's nuts.
Infact, you can even see loose nuts off the bolts on the side of his head.
Plus, there's steam coming out of his nose, and a booger.
Is he wearing a mask? It may be satan behind it.

Oh, and October 2008. Unless it comes at 11:59 PM on Halloween, you won't be getting any candy.



Kamikazee@Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:51 pm :
Kristus wrote:
This explains everything you need to know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1Yo610lG0
Science is lost on some people...



The Happy Friar@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:25 am :
if it ends the world, so what? It's not like anybody's really going to have time to say "you dumbass!" we'll all be dead. :lol: Plus think of all the debt people of the world would get to avoid! That alone could fill the black holes! :D



BNA!@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:26 am :
The Happy Friar wrote:
if it ends the world, so what? It's not like anybody's really going to have time to say "you dumbass!" we'll all be dead. :lol: Plus think of all the debt people of the world would get to avoid! That alone could fill the black holes! :D


I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...



Bittoman@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:51 pm :
BNA! wrote:
The Happy Friar wrote:
if it ends the world, so what? It's not like anybody's really going to have time to say "you dumbass!" we'll all be dead. :lol: Plus think of all the debt people of the world would get to avoid! That alone could fill the black holes! :D


I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...


It can't happen. Before we even come close, Bush will declare all money his, stuff it into an offshore account and move to Venezuela.



The Happy Friar@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:08 pm :
BNA! wrote:
I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...


now that's just complete science fiction there. :wink:



BNA!@Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:37 pm :
The Happy Friar wrote:
BNA! wrote:
I fear US debt will suck in a black whole, not the other way around. Can't wait to see for the first bank to offer innovative giga-universe-leveraged black hole knock out certificates on a CERN index with automatic short put discount long call ratio collider yield adjuster...


now that's just complete science fiction there. :wink:


Only the words "Black Hole, Giga, Universe, CERN, Collider" - the rest is all true and the reason why all of the US (and economically connected world) will see (more) private wealth hair cuts instead of (election time motivated) tax cuts.

I guess "structured products" come second in disaster potentiality predictability when compared to man made black holes. Unless "it" happens every prediction is potentially as true as not true.

;)