rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsRQcUoFSmw

Techically not me... but hey... its all in the family here...

Everytime I see "I'm a PC", it reminds me of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eA3XCvr ... re=related

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

The Happy Friar wrote:

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

thats oddly close to what i think of: i think of some stupid-elitist who likes to throw there money away at something that there going to have to throw away in 6 months when the next one comes out

imho, it would do mac better if they had someone passionate about something, IE music, art, all the "yuppy" stuff they're aiming at. Then show how the PC can't do it as well for some reason.

The Happy Friar wrote:

imho, it would do mac better if they had someone passionate about something, IE music, art, all the "yuppy" stuff they're aiming at. Then show how the PC can't do it as well for some reason.

but they can't, PC and MAC are pretty much the same, minus the fact that PC owns more then 90% of the market (Right?). and PC's can be adapted to do everything a Mac can.

yeah, I know, even the current commercials are pointless (it's a PC running an Apple OS!). But they could get more specific then the geek used in many movies.

Gmz1013 wrote:

The Happy Friar wrote:

imho, it would do mac better if they had someone passionate about something, IE music, art, all the "yuppy" stuff they're aiming at. Then show how the PC can't do it as well for some reason.

but they can't, PC and MAC are pretty much the same, minus the fact that PC owns more then 90% of the market (Right?). and PC's can be adapted to do everything a Mac can.

Mac is gaining market share very fast withing the PC segment.
And many people run Windows side by side with Mac OS which is pretty cool (I do).

Buying a Mac is a decision which also affected by the desire to have something nice sitting on the desk in your flat. My work machines are all usual PCs, but for a living room with a computer corner I'd personally opt for a 24' iMac. I think an advertising agency where everyone is all about design and ridiculous amounts of money get spend for the corresponding light and all color concepts may feel inclined to opt for a Mac since they cater more to their taste.

As so often it boils down to what you want to do and what specs you need. There is this silly tribal behavior thing on both sides, claiming some sort of superiority, only topped by *nix people who insist that anything short of cryptic command lines is not worth to get called computer work.

Apple produces nice products no doubt. My netbook (the micro stuff supposed for people who just want to go online, surf and check mails) is an iPhone.
My laptop is a Macbook which I'm very happy with and it's always nice to look at. The new ones with aluminum cases are very nice too. I'm in no need to buy a new one, but if so I'd go with a Mac book pro.

Ever since Apple moved to the i86 chip architecture there is nothing you can do on a PC what you cannot do on Mac hardware. They are not the best gaming platforms - this should be said. But not everyone centers his life around gaming,.

Just think about this way - some people simply do like the slick look enough to spend money on it and some just like the Mac OS better. There is no reason to look up or down at each other, no matter which camp you're in. I wouldn't trade any of my hardware setup for something else. A Mac and a PC can sit happily on a desk next to each other. I tried it - they don't fight or try to cut up the rivals power cord.

As far as aesthetics go, some people prefer a Corvette, some a Porsche - it's all personal preference.

The Happy Friar wrote:

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing

Gmz1013 wrote:

The Happy Friar wrote:

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

thats oddly close to what i think of: i think of some stupid-elitist who likes to throw there money away at something that there going to have to throw away in 6 months when the next one comes out

That's not true - they throw their Macs away after 12 months, not 6

Actually I think it's more like 3 years, depending on how often the line sees a major refresh.

BNA! wrote:

Just think about this way - some people simply do like the slick look enough to spend money on it and some just like the Mac OS better. There is no reason to look up or down at each other, no matter which camp you're in. I wouldn't trade any of my hardware setup for something else. A Mac and a PC can sit happily on a desk next to each other. I tried it - they don't fight or try to cut up the rivals power cord.

I think that's the point we're kinda making: apple makes a HUGE deal about how much better a mac is when there's practically nothing different. But the adverts say otherwise.

I know a few with mac's, but like you I wouldn't trade my PC hardware for one, ever. I enjoy what I have to much, and most mac head's I've interacted with (not the ones at work though) think I'm an idiot for using a PC.

The Happy Friar wrote:

I think that's the point we're kinda making: apple makes a HUGE deal about how much better a mac is when there's practically nothing different. But the adverts say otherwise.

I know a few with mac's, but like you I wouldn't trade my PC hardware for one, ever. I enjoy what I have to much, and most mac head's I've interacted with (not the ones at work though) think I'm an idiot for using a PC.

Oh well there are plenty of differences. I do like Mac OS much better and with a prallels desktop there is no reason to be bound to a PC any longer to keep programs compatible.

In terms of trading hardware I meant I wouldn't trade either for a full Mac or PC only set. If I'd be forced to have one box only I'd opt for a Mac any day for the reason described above.

Can you even virtualize a Mac? Is it possible to run OSX in a virtual machine?

rich_is_bored wrote:

Can you even virtualize a Mac? Is it possible to run OSX in a virtual machine?

I don't know. The best thing about OSX is that it's written for a comparably limited number of potential configurations with the result of fairly targeted processes. Ironically Windows never crashed on me on a Mac, don't ask about PC stability.

Here's a nice (brief) demo on how to run OSX and XP at the same time:

http://www.parallels.com/desktop/demo/

I wish I had the money to have both a Mac and PC to see which I like better.

It seems that the Mac vs. PC thing is really kind of an outdated notion, with Vista they are near identical now as far as UI goes(at least that is how I perceive it from what I've seen). I remember 10 or so years ago people used to say that Mac was the "artist's choice" and that PC was for business apps.

rich_is_bored wrote:

Can you even virtualize a Mac? Is it possible to run OSX in a virtual machine?

The PearPC project did this (PPC emulator). I tried it once but couldn't get the virtual NIC working so it was pretty useless to me in that state.

I have read that VMWare have a virtualisation environment for OSX but Apple won't let them release it. Don't know how accurate that is.

There are hacked ISO images of OSX out there that can be used to run it on standard VMWare, apparently, but thats not the sort of road I personally want to travel.

rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsRQcUoFSmw

Techically not me... but hey... its all in the family here...

Everytime I see "I'm a PC", it reminds me of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eA3XCvr ... re=related

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

The Happy Friar wrote:

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

thats oddly close to what i think of: i think of some stupid-elitist who likes to throw there money away at something that there going to have to throw away in 6 months when the next one comes out

imho, it would do mac better if they had someone passionate about something, IE music, art, all the "yuppy" stuff they're aiming at. Then show how the PC can't do it as well for some reason.

The Happy Friar wrote:

imho, it would do mac better if they had someone passionate about something, IE music, art, all the "yuppy" stuff they're aiming at. Then show how the PC can't do it as well for some reason.

but they can't, PC and MAC are pretty much the same, minus the fact that PC owns more then 90% of the market (Right?). and PC's can be adapted to do everything a Mac can.

yeah, I know, even the current commercials are pointless (it's a PC running an Apple OS!). But they could get more specific then the geek used in many movies.

Gmz1013 wrote:

The Happy Friar wrote:

imho, it would do mac better if they had someone passionate about something, IE music, art, all the "yuppy" stuff they're aiming at. Then show how the PC can't do it as well for some reason.

but they can't, PC and MAC are pretty much the same, minus the fact that PC owns more then 90% of the market (Right?). and PC's can be adapted to do everything a Mac can.

Mac is gaining market share very fast withing the PC segment.
And many people run Windows side by side with Mac OS which is pretty cool (I do).

Buying a Mac is a decision which also affected by the desire to have something nice sitting on the desk in your flat. My work machines are all usual PCs, but for a living room with a computer corner I'd personally opt for a 24' iMac. I think an advertising agency where everyone is all about design and ridiculous amounts of money get spend for the corresponding light and all color concepts may feel inclined to opt for a Mac since they cater more to their taste.

As so often it boils down to what you want to do and what specs you need. There is this silly tribal behavior thing on both sides, claiming some sort of superiority, only topped by *nix people who insist that anything short of cryptic command lines is not worth to get called computer work.

Apple produces nice products no doubt. My netbook (the micro stuff supposed for people who just want to go online, surf and check mails) is an iPhone.
My laptop is a Macbook which I'm very happy with and it's always nice to look at. The new ones with aluminum cases are very nice too. I'm in no need to buy a new one, but if so I'd go with a Mac book pro.

Ever since Apple moved to the i86 chip architecture there is nothing you can do on a PC what you cannot do on Mac hardware. They are not the best gaming platforms - this should be said. But not everyone centers his life around gaming,.

Just think about this way - some people simply do like the slick look enough to spend money on it and some just like the Mac OS better. There is no reason to look up or down at each other, no matter which camp you're in. I wouldn't trade any of my hardware setup for something else. A Mac and a PC can sit happily on a desk next to each other. I tried it - they don't fight or try to cut up the rivals power cord.

As far as aesthetics go, some people prefer a Corvette, some a Porsche - it's all personal preference.

The Happy Friar wrote:

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing

Gmz1013 wrote:

The Happy Friar wrote:

Every time I see the "I'm a Mac" I think of a stoner who doesn't do anything except sit at home saying how awesome they are.

thats oddly close to what i think of: i think of some stupid-elitist who likes to throw there money away at something that there going to have to throw away in 6 months when the next one comes out

That's not true - they throw their Macs away after 12 months, not 6

Actually I think it's more like 3 years, depending on how often the line sees a major refresh.

BNA! wrote:

Just think about this way - some people simply do like the slick look enough to spend money on it and some just like the Mac OS better. There is no reason to look up or down at each other, no matter which camp you're in. I wouldn't trade any of my hardware setup for something else. A Mac and a PC can sit happily on a desk next to each other. I tried it - they don't fight or try to cut up the rivals power cord.

I think that's the point we're kinda making: apple makes a HUGE deal about how much better a mac is when there's practically nothing different. But the adverts say otherwise.

I know a few with mac's, but like you I wouldn't trade my PC hardware for one, ever. I enjoy what I have to much, and most mac head's I've interacted with (not the ones at work though) think I'm an idiot for using a PC.

The Happy Friar wrote:

I think that's the point we're kinda making: apple makes a HUGE deal about how much better a mac is when there's practically nothing different. But the adverts say otherwise.

I know a few with mac's, but like you I wouldn't trade my PC hardware for one, ever. I enjoy what I have to much, and most mac head's I've interacted with (not the ones at work though) think I'm an idiot for using a PC.

Oh well there are plenty of differences. I do like Mac OS much better and with a prallels desktop there is no reason to be bound to a PC any longer to keep programs compatible.

In terms of trading hardware I meant I wouldn't trade either for a full Mac or PC only set. If I'd be forced to have one box only I'd opt for a Mac any day for the reason described above.

Can you even virtualize a Mac? Is it possible to run OSX in a virtual machine?

rich_is_bored wrote:

Can you even virtualize a Mac? Is it possible to run OSX in a virtual machine?

I don't know. The best thing about OSX is that it's written for a comparably limited number of potential configurations with the result of fairly targeted processes. Ironically Windows never crashed on me on a Mac, don't ask about PC stability.

Here's a nice (brief) demo on how to run OSX and XP at the same time:

http://www.parallels.com/desktop/demo/

I wish I had the money to have both a Mac and PC to see which I like better.

It seems that the Mac vs. PC thing is really kind of an outdated notion, with Vista they are near identical now as far as UI goes(at least that is how I perceive it from what I've seen). I remember 10 or so years ago people used to say that Mac was the "artist's choice" and that PC was for business apps.

rich_is_bored wrote:

Can you even virtualize a Mac? Is it possible to run OSX in a virtual machine?

The PearPC project did this (PPC emulator). I tried it once but couldn't get the virtual NIC working so it was pretty useless to me in that state.

I have read that VMWare have a virtualisation environment for OSX but Apple won't let them release it. Don't know how accurate that is.

There are hacked ISO images of OSX out there that can be used to run it on standard VMWare, apparently, but thats not the sort of road I personally want to travel.